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Post by putsie on Apr 4, 2011 14:20:54 GMT -5
We have a 3206 corn head with the hydraulic adj. stripper plates. We also put two stalk stompers on it. Are the draper heads heavy? I always heard they were heavy and expensive compared to the regular flex and rigid platforms. Yes the drapers are heavy and more expensive than a regular auger header but worth it big time. crop flows into the combine uniformly and even. A lot of guys claim faster travel speeds and wider header capacity. I can't really coment on that, I've personally never ran both a auger header and a draper on the same combine to figure out the exact difference in efficiency. But there does seem to be some judging by our speed/efficiency vs neighbors. I do know 40ft of flex-draper at 6mph in 50bu/acre durum wheat on a dry day is not a problem with our 8010. As far as how much heavier draper vs regular goes? I don't have the exact weight numbers but I remember our 30ft 972 Macdon would pull the back wheels off the ground on our 2188 pulling off the road down a steep approach. A funny feeling to ride the front tires into a field. 2188 had the rear tires filled with chloride. When we traded it on a 2388 we made a bracket to hang 1200lbs of suitcase weights off the rear. That made it more stable. Our neighbor bought the combine when we got the 8010 and hung a 36 ft MacDon off the front of it. Don't know what they did for weight (we kept the bracket and weights), we were told we'd need 1600lbs of weight to carry 36ft.
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Post by steiger9330 on Apr 4, 2011 17:53:17 GMT -5
6mph? ?? We don't go faster than 3.5 to maybe 4 in beans and 4.0 to maybe 4.5 in corn, but that's comparing a 2577 with a 30' 1020 header to your 8010. I'd be afraid I'd get a rock caught in the belt and it'd tear it up, but I guess it wouldn't be any different than a rock in an auger. As far as saving time for faster travel speed, I couldn't see us justifying one. But it may be one of those things to look at. We're do for a new header in about 5-6 years and a new combine in about 7 years. Maybe it'll be something to look into then. Changing subjects a little, I sure am glad that they started using poly corn head snouts and not the tin ones. We were slightly skeptical at first because our noses kept cracking when we first got it, but as we replaced them they seemed to never break any more besides from normal wear and tear. It was a must for combining downed corn after Hurricane Ike.
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Post by djt14 on Apr 4, 2011 21:30:44 GMT -5
From what i have heard flex heads are pretty good, I myself have had bad experience with them we had a prototype from new holland on our combine from them and the stupid thing was heavy for the feederhouse cylinders and would drag and scrape the ground making farmers mad. I dont think i would ever really go with a flex head unless i myself am running it. Dallas That made no sense? You counterdicted yourself bout 3 times. They are heavy but they arent heavier then a corn head so im pretty sure it was just the operator pushing it into the ground. Flexheads are THE ONLY way to go in beans besides a draper (even better) What i meant was that we had bad luck with them because the weight of the header was to heavy for the cylinders on the feeder. It was mainly the cylinders because they were to small for the header. We put a draper on that combine and it didnt do it so its not the operator it was the cylinders. But i have no experiance with beans so i can't say anything about that.
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Post by Austin Stewart on Apr 4, 2011 22:04:19 GMT -5
6mph? ?? We don't go faster than 3.5 to maybe 4 in beans and 4.0 to maybe 4.5 in corn, but that's comparing a 2577 with a 30' 1020 header to your 8010. I'd be afraid I'd get a rock caught in the belt and it'd tear it up, but I guess it wouldn't be any different than a rock in an auger. As far as saving time for faster travel speed, I couldn't see us justifying one. But it may be one of those things to look at. We're do for a new header in about 5-6 years and a new combine in about 7 years. Maybe it'll be something to look into then. Changing subjects a little, I sure am glad that they started using poly corn head snouts and not the tin ones. We were slightly skeptical at first because our noses kept cracking when we first got it, but as we replaced them they seemed to never break any more besides from normal wear and tear. It was a must for combining downed corn after Hurricane Ike. You do realize that not everyone has rocks to deal with? The worst thing we have to deal with come harvest is badger holes and you rarely have any issues with those.
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Post by Austin Stewart on Apr 4, 2011 22:09:14 GMT -5
I have heard that flex heads are pretty amazing but the price on them is crazy. For are set-up we could have them but since my family isnt running them the chances are they will break the more. And the key thing about a stripper head is that you can go a lot faster in the field but you will be out there later working. The down side about a draper is that they arent the best for cutting out a terrrace and they aren't the best on parts either. Just my 2 cents (and sorry if theres some stuff wrote wrong there the computer on is kinda goofy) Dallas How is a draper going to be any worse cutting out a terrace than a regular header? I guess I dont follow the logic but if we compare apples to applies (flex vs flex and rigid vs rigid) than they should be equal. I rode in an 8120 with a draper and other than the fact that it was larger than the equipment that those terraces were built to handle it worked fine. You would have had the same issues cutting the terrace with a rigid head and probably worse problems cutting it with a stripper head.
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Post by steiger9330 on Apr 4, 2011 22:26:55 GMT -5
6mph? ?? We don't go faster than 3.5 to maybe 4 in beans and 4.0 to maybe 4.5 in corn, but that's comparing a 2577 with a 30' 1020 header to your 8010. I'd be afraid I'd get a rock caught in the belt and it'd tear it up, but I guess it wouldn't be any different than a rock in an auger. As far as saving time for faster travel speed, I couldn't see us justifying one. But it may be one of those things to look at. We're do for a new header in about 5-6 years and a new combine in about 7 years. Maybe it'll be something to look into then. Changing subjects a little, I sure am glad that they started using poly corn head snouts and not the tin ones. We were slightly skeptical at first because our noses kept cracking when we first got it, but as we replaced them they seemed to never break any more besides from normal wear and tear. It was a must for combining downed corn after Hurricane Ike. You do realize that not everyone has rocks to deal with? The worst thing we have to deal with come harvest is badger holes and you rarely have any issues with those. I know, but I was just saying that in our area we have rocks and IDK how much it would tear a draper up compared to an auger header. That's only saying if and only if you picked one up (usually we don't let it get past the knives), which is why we pick rock in our fields every year (which is a darn good way of making spending money if I do say so myself). We all have our challenges in our fields and one of ours is rocks. Rocks are one of the things we have to look out for or else we can do some damage to our combine and platform come bean harvest.
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Post by putsie on Apr 4, 2011 22:40:11 GMT -5
We got rocks too, I've picked up my share over the years and have never wrecked a draper because of one. MacDon has kind of a built in rock trap at the front of the center section of their drapers and it works good. Not sure if the Honey Bee's or other guys do or not, but it's saved me a few times from putting in a good sized rock. We also roll all our lentil and pea ground to flatten it out for less stress at harvest. The rocks I normally have picked up have been in lodged or saw-fly durum.
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Post by Austin Stewart on Apr 4, 2011 23:59:18 GMT -5
You do realize that not everyone has rocks to deal with? The worst thing we have to deal with come harvest is badger holes and you rarely have any issues with those. I know, but I was just saying that in our area we have rocks and IDK how much it would tear a draper up compared to an auger header. That's only saying if and only if you picked one up (usually we don't let it get past the knives), which is why we pick rock in our fields every year (which is a darn good way of making spending money if I do say so myself). We all have our challenges in our fields and one of ours is rocks. Rocks are one of the things we have to look out for or else we can do some damage to our combine and platform come bean harvest. I can think of a lot of ways to earn some money, picking rocks would be pretty darn close to the bottom.
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Post by djt14 on Apr 5, 2011 8:46:56 GMT -5
I have heard that flex heads are pretty amazing but the price on them is crazy. For are set-up we could have them but since my family isnt running them the chances are they will break the more. And the key thing about a stripper head is that you can go a lot faster in the field but you will be out there later working. The down side about a draper is that they arent the best for cutting out a terrrace and they aren't the best on parts either. Just my 2 cents (and sorry if theres some stuff wrote wrong there the computer on is kinda goofy) Dallas How is a draper going to be any worse cutting out a terrace than a regular header? I guess I dont follow the logic but if we compare apples to applies (flex vs flex and rigid vs rigid) than they should be equal. I rode in an 8120 with a draper and other than the fact that it was larger than the equipment that those terraces were built to handle it worked fine. You would have had the same issues cutting the terrace with a rigid head and probably worse problems cutting it with a stripper head. I meant that i think the flex would be better to cut out a terrace than a draper IMO I my self dont have the experiance to say that but i think it would be better.
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Post by Chris Taylor on Apr 5, 2011 12:24:44 GMT -5
Bigger the header the more flex. That goes for both. Honestly I would like to know what combine was running your draper and how big it was.
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Post by miniskfarm on Apr 5, 2011 15:46:21 GMT -5
I wouldn't run anything but a draper and I prefer MacDons. Worked for a harvest crew that had had two 9600's both with 30' heads one auger one draper and the draper machine would walk away from the auger head in all crops and all conditions. They feed so much smoother and evenly all day you can bump up your ground speed.
My uncle made the switch a couple years ago after me pestering him and he wondered why he held out so long swearing at his auger header in poor mustard crops.
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Post by steiger9330 on Apr 5, 2011 16:09:05 GMT -5
I know, but I was just saying that in our area we have rocks and IDK how much it would tear a draper up compared to an auger header. That's only saying if and only if you picked one up (usually we don't let it get past the knives), which is why we pick rock in our fields every year (which is a darn good way of making spending money if I do say so myself). We all have our challenges in our fields and one of ours is rocks. Rocks are one of the things we have to look out for or else we can do some damage to our combine and platform come bean harvest. I can think of a lot of ways to earn some money, picking rocks would be pretty darn close to the bottom. Well when I was 10-16 it was a darn good way of making money if that's the only opportunity you have to make it. It only takes a gator and a few hours of manual labor. Plus when that's the only time your dad'll pay you, I think I'd take it. $9 an hour isn't too bad in my book for this time in my life. Rocks are one reason we quit tillage all together. I didn't know the drapers had rock traps on them, Putsie. That's news to me.
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Post by djt14 on Apr 5, 2011 19:08:40 GMT -5
Bigger the header the more flex. That goes for both. Honestly I would like to know what combine was running your draper and how big it was. The combines we used with are drapers are 8120's the combine that was on the flexhead was a 9060 NH it wasnt the combine it was the cylinder size. Dallas
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Post by Chris Taylor on Apr 5, 2011 20:09:00 GMT -5
Bigger the header the more flex. That goes for both. Honestly I would like to know what combine was running your draper and how big it was. The combines we used with are drapers are 8120's the combine that was on the flexhead was a 9060 NH it wasnt the combine it was the cylinder size. Dallas I want to kno how wide the draper was.... I HIGHLY doubt it was the cylinder size on an 8120....
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Post by djt14 on Apr 5, 2011 22:27:38 GMT -5
The flex head was a 42 foot it has nothing to do with the 8120 im sorry if i said that and confused you the cylinders on the CR were to small because it was a prototype combine. The drapers on the 8120's were 36 big difference and the cylinders could take it. Im going to try and settle this here the Flexhead header on the CR was to heavy for the cylinders. My guess is that it was the cylinder not the headers but i dont know.
Sorry if i confused you there. Dallas
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Post by treymo on Apr 6, 2011 7:40:47 GMT -5
Use some logic, the CR was a prototype right? So not everything is exactly right on it yet. So if it couldn't pick it up, you can't go around saying flexheads are way to heavy since my prototype combine with small cylinders couldn't pick it up. Gotta try a normal combine first. Trey
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Post by djt14 on Apr 6, 2011 8:40:25 GMT -5
That is true Trey i was going to add that since the combine was a prototype the parts where too. Like i said my guess is that it was the cylinders not the header but idk and lets leave it at that hopefully.
Dallas
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Post by helge21 on Apr 6, 2011 9:32:20 GMT -5
I have heard that flex heads are pretty amazing but the price on them is crazy. For are set-up we could have them but since my family isnt running them the chances are they will break the more. And the key thing about a stripper head is that you can go a lot faster in the field but you will be out there later working. The down side about a draper is that they arent the best for cutting out a terrrace and they aren't the best on parts either. Just my 2 cents (and sorry if theres some stuff wrote wrong there the computer on is kinda goofy) Dallas So your saying with a stripper head I'll be able to increase my productivity and work longer hours? That sounds like a pretty d**n good deal to me! Drapers work just fine for cutting out terraces, no different than a rigid auger head. And what parts on them are they "not the best" on? A little daily maintenances and nothing should go wrong, through an entire summer of combining wheat the only thing we had to replace on my head was the sickle because my sections had gotten duller than all get out. Sorry to refute everything you said, but I have some experience around drapers so I know a few things. And I'm still scratching my head about how working later and driving faster with a stripper head would be a bad thing........
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Post by steiger9330 on Apr 6, 2011 15:07:45 GMT -5
I have heard that flex heads are pretty amazing but the price on them is crazy. For are set-up we could have them but since my family isnt running them the chances are they will break the more. And the key thing about a stripper head is that you can go a lot faster in the field but you will be out there later working. The down side about a draper is that they arent the best for cutting out a terrrace and they aren't the best on parts either. Just my 2 cents (and sorry if theres some stuff wrote wrong there the computer on is kinda goofy) Dallas Wait a minute, you said you'll cut faster with a stipper, yet you'll harvest later? Wouldn't you be able to quit earlier since you cut faster if you want to do the same amount in a day? I figure the slower you harvest the later you would combine. Is the flex head you're talking about Dallas a draper or auger? Because we bought a new flex auger header in 2007 and it seemed pretty cheap to me (I don't remember the exact price. I was only 14). I'm just a little confused lol
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Post by treymo on Apr 6, 2011 16:20:04 GMT -5
If we had all wheat, we would've had a stripper head along time ago. We can't justify buying 2 high dollar stripper heads for the decreasing amount of wheat acres we have. Dad got Flex Drapers so we can cut both our wheat and beans with one header instead of buying a rigid head and a flexhead. (Rigid for wheat, Flex for beans). We just can't justify buying two different headers if we can buy one that does both jobs. Trey
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