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Post by samuel on Nov 26, 2009 1:18:54 GMT -5
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Post by G&G farms on Nov 26, 2009 8:51:58 GMT -5
thats a cool set up
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Post by superman on Dec 2, 2009 19:46:24 GMT -5
how come they just dont make square bales instead?
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Post by brad wierzbicki on Dec 2, 2009 22:30:12 GMT -5
in the second picture whats the stuf behind the cart
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Post by samuel on Dec 3, 2009 0:48:55 GMT -5
how come they just dont make square bales instead? When you have over 1,000 acres of straw. Small squares is a waste of time, costly man power, and inefficient. You can do a lot more with round at a faster, cheaper rate. Why use small equipment when you have a big operation? About like using small combines to cut your thousands worth. Like 4 and 6 row at a time in a 10,000 acres of corn. Now large square would be efficient, but most of our guys are not set up for those types of bales. I have saw a set up to work up large squares too. |
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Post by samuel on Dec 3, 2009 0:49:26 GMT -5
in the second picture whats the stuf behind the cart Not sure, I didn't venture over to see. |
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Post by Pierce Johnson on Dec 3, 2009 18:15:54 GMT -5
So Mr Heavner when we gunna see a farm like this from you?
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Post by samuel on Dec 4, 2009 0:45:06 GMT -5
So Mr Heavner when we gunna see a farm like this from you? Already have one. I built this set up earlier this year. Based off the real one I saw on Wayne's farm. And the website that sells the set up. You can ask either Wayne or the Wilson guys. They will never go back to small squares again. With a window of less than 3 weeks to get your grain cut, baled, remove the bales, and drill in soys. I don't have time to mess with small squares. Then if a rain shower comes up you really in for it. Here is mine on my Heavner Farm display: I bale up 1.5k worth of straw. Using only 2 round balers.  Here is the Seat Ranch where they added a set up for Large Squares. They bale up 2k acres of straw. Using 2 round balers and a Large Square.  Which is better? Using 2 balers for nearly 2k worth of straw or using like 5-6 small squares like I have saw on someone's else display. I am using less man power, less fuel, and less time spent. Moving 1 round bale is equal to moving around 40 squares. So with one loader pickup I just moved that amount of straw. You can't do that with small squares. Round is just far superior over small squares. Also there is less rat problems. I have yet saw a round bale bust from a rat. A rat can easily destroy a small square with one string cutting by their chewing. So I have far less bales lost as well. Plus if I can't move the bales out fast enough. I just park them along field side for a while until I get to them. Smalls don't last long out in the weather like a round can. I been messing with straw bales since I was strong enough to lift them. Believe me. You can't pay me enough to go back to small squares on straw. |
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Post by nickvanorman on Dec 4, 2009 23:07:20 GMT -5
personally i think rounds are a waste of time. many farms in my area sell their hay and straw to horse farmers. its not economical to buy a square baler and a round baler to be making one end product which is a square bale. if you wanna do that, you need to buy the square baler, the equipment used to shred the round bale, the elevators and conveyers, not to mention the amount of twin you use to rebale hay and straw. i dont see the value in doing this.
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Post by samuel on Dec 5, 2009 0:47:52 GMT -5
personally i think rounds are a waste of time. many farms in my area sell their hay and straw to horse farmers. its not economical to buy a square baler and a round baler to be making one end product which is a square bale. if you wanna do that, you need to buy the square baler, the equipment used to shred the round bale, the elevators and conveyers, not to mention the amount of twin you use to rebale hay and straw. i dont see the value in doing this. Tell that to the guys as they hand load a semi trailer, while I sit in a cabin loading it without touching a bale.  With the set up like the Wilson's. I never have to touch a bale with my hands period. From field to trailer. I wonder how long it will take them to decide which they like better. Loading a hot trailer in middle of summer getting straw and dust all over them. Or want in a cabin in the A/C. And not having to touch a bale. Like I said you can't pay me enough to work squares by hand. So see you from the other side of the cabin while you get hot and itchy loading the bales. Lets see how effiecent your way really is: There is 2 guys. Loading 450ish bales by hand into a 54ft semi sounds fun in the summer. Going by some math. One will be on the ground getting the bale on the elevator to get it to the truck, then the other in the trailer having to stack it. They both just moved 450 bales. Don't sound bad yet right? Now add a 4 trailer load order for that day. Now you just moved 1800 bales alone. Meanwhile I'm in my cool cabin loading it without no manual labor. With my other coworker on the tractor with loader in a cab refilling the unroller. Now who is in a better place? Both of us comes out clean and not tired and ready to move on for other farm jobs. This is like telling me GPS tractors that drive themselves down rows is not efficient compared to hand driving them. |
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Post by nickvanorman on Dec 5, 2009 12:17:18 GMT -5
ive always loaded semi trailers by hand. we can do it in 1 hour with 4 guys no problem. only reason we still do it by hand is to actually get some exercise. don't like getting fat inside a tractor cab all spring and summer. why not work it off by loading straw and hay by hand? i mean, its not that hard. after loading a semi trailer with hay or straw we can still do anything on the farm else. its all a matter or preference but personally i like squares better. so much easier to store and handle.
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Post by samuel on Dec 5, 2009 13:18:37 GMT -5
ive always loaded semi trailers by hand. we can do it in 1 hour with 4 guys no problem. only reason we still do it by hand is to actually get some exercise. don't like getting fat inside a tractor cab all spring and summer. why not work it off by loading straw and hay by hand? i mean, its not that hard. after loading a semi trailer with hay or straw we can still do anything on the farm else. its all a matter or preference but personally i like squares better. so much easier to store and handle. 4 guys in 1 hour? Yeah good exercise, but look at the profit loss. I use only 2 guys and have the trailer loaded in far less time. But each is to their own. Well enjoy those small out of date methods. Our straw producers have moved along with progress. I know on Jason H.'s he used like 6 for his 1k-2k worth on his old display. Versus my 2 tractors and 2 guys baling it all. Cost savings on this method. Then comes loading you paying 4 guys to do it. While I pay 2. More cost savings. But hey if you feel like wasting money go right on ahead. ;D |
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Post by G&G farms on Dec 6, 2009 0:04:05 GMT -5
we usea a skid loader with a grapple on it and pick up ten at a time lots faster an you can load a semi in 35 minutes
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Post by samuel on Dec 6, 2009 1:03:59 GMT -5
we usea a skid loader with a grapple on it and pick up ten at a time lots faster an you can load a semi in 35 minutes Now that is a way to do it. But a skid steer can't fit into a box trailer too well. Most of the straw customers want a box trailer. As you drop off the trailer at Lowes, Home depot etc. Where they hand out bales to customers. That is the majority of the straw head to. It is good if you have one, but most farmers down here won't pay for one. |
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Post by Chris Taylor on Dec 6, 2009 11:10:59 GMT -5
Sam I understand what you mean. Thats good it works for you but it isnt always going to work for everyone. ive always loaded semi trailers by hand. we can do it in 1 hour with 4 guys no problem. only reason we still do it by hand is to actually get some exercise. don't like getting fat inside a tractor cab all spring and summer. why not work it off by loading straw and hay by hand? i mean, its not that hard. after loading a semi trailer with hay or straw we can still do anything on the farm else. its all a matter or preference but personally i like squares better. so much easier to store and handle. I hear ya Nick!!! I LOVE buckin bales! Thats summer fun right there! Then think how good a shower feels afterward....  |
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Post by jwaldrip on Dec 7, 2009 22:56:32 GMT -5
If you look at the amount of round bales that go unused it really can be a waste of money. i would venture to say in some areas that 25% of round bales will go unused. if you have the labor and time i feel it is more efficient to square bale them as many more people have the capability of using squares. unless you have the market then go for the rounds.
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With the set up like the Wilson's. I never have to touch a bale with my hands period. From field to trailer. I wonder how long it will take them to decide which they like better. Loading a hot trailer in middle of summer getting straw and dust all over them. Or want in a cabin in the A/C. And not having to touch a bale.
