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Post by 70ds on Dec 10, 2010 13:40:40 GMT -5
I think Agco is ahead of most of them with their emissions. They have had the diesel exhaust fluid for a while.
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Post by Austin Stewart on Dec 10, 2010 18:01:25 GMT -5
the only reason i think is because of the new emmisions agco probably wants them instead of creating there own AGCO was the first to release an emissions system for the 4a requirement levels, the only change needed to be in line with the 4b levels is to turn up the level of urea being injected. AGCO is way ahead of the game in tractors. |
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Post by CDC on Dec 10, 2010 18:52:09 GMT -5
YA RIGHT THE CABS JOHN DEERE CABS ARE TER BEST ON THE 8R
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Post by Austin Stewart on Dec 10, 2010 18:57:12 GMT -5
YA RIGHT THE CABS JOHN DEERE CABS ARE TER BEST ON THE 8R OH MY, PERHAPS IF YOU TURNED OFF YOUR CAPS YOUR MESSAGE WOULD BE BETTER RECIEVED!!! You have sat in the newest cabs of John Deere, Case IH, and AGCO/MF in order to compare them? I would agree in the old models that AGCO was dead last, the new ones are great though. I cant say I am impressed with CIH's new armrest full of buttons (sorry its a tractor not the Enterprise) and John Deeres was large but nothing special. When you can save tens of thousands of dollars by buying a color other than green how can you say its best? I would rather take that money and use it for more important things than having the biggest cab. |
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Post by mnjosh on Dec 10, 2010 20:13:17 GMT -5
I think Agco is ahead of most of them with their emissions. They have had the diesel exhaust fluid for a while. Yep, AGCO was the first ag manufacturer using SCR. They introduced with their AGCO DTb/ MF 8600/ Challenger 600C series. New Holland/ Case IH are the second. John Deere still uses EGR. The cab on the AGCO family of tractor are nice; my next favorite are the new New Holland T8 with Sidewinder II console. This is where I think AGCO fell short in their cabs compared to CIH/NH. They had access to a single lever control from their Fendt brand and could have implemented it very easily, but CIH/NH beat them to it with their new series of tractors. |
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Post by jacoblarson on Dec 10, 2010 20:57:50 GMT -5
Interested doesnt mean anything. Seriously interested maybe, but it wont happen. There isnt much to gain. Agco bought WR, Wishek and Amity. So they have the heaviest disk on the market, biggest chisel, and one of the best dryland seeding tools.
The only thing AGCO would get would be a dealer network and construction. The tractors are good, combines are OK, tillage is great, planting is good.
Dont know why someone would buy a new Deere anything. Cats and CIH's are way better than the deere 4wd's. 2wd's arn't anything special, combines are the same design for the most part for the last 10 years+, if you think a 2700 deere ripper is good youve never tried anything else, planters arn't as acurate as everyone thinks. If you look around the Deere stuff is short more often then not.
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Post by 70ds on Dec 10, 2010 20:58:58 GMT -5
I remember seeing one with scr on it a couple years ago at Husker Harvest Days. I remember it because I was suprised because I had just read about scr in Diesel Power. It was a new technology in on road vehicles so I was suprised to see it on a tractor all ready.
Austin, Does your Agco have the scr on it? I can't remember how long you have had it now. Seems like you guys just got it but I suppose it has been a couple of years now.
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Post by Austin Stewart on Dec 10, 2010 22:24:42 GMT -5
I remember seeing one with scr on it a couple years ago at Husker Harvest Days. I remember it because I was suprised because I had just read about scr in Diesel Power. It was a new technology in on road vehicles so I was suprised to see it on a tractor all ready. Austin, Does your Agco have the scr on it? I can't remember how long you have had it now. Seems like you guys just got it but I suppose it has been a couple of years now. I think our tractor is a 2007 model, I think they introduced the new series about 2 years after we bought ours so the late 2008/early 2009 tractors would have been the time period that they switched I think. |
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Post by mnjosh on Dec 11, 2010 11:46:01 GMT -5
Interested doesnt mean anything. Seriously interested maybe, but it wont happen. There isnt much to gain. Agco bought WR, Wishek and Amity. So they have the heaviest disk on the market, biggest chisel, and one of the best dryland seeding tools. AGCO bought a 50% share of Amity Technology. I guess they wanted the Amity air drill the most, which by the way was developed by former engineers of Concord after Case IH bought them out. I wonder if they will market these under the Sunflower brand name. |
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Post by 70ds on Dec 11, 2010 12:30:58 GMT -5
I have been a Deere fan my whole life. When it come to the older tractors and combines I love them. They are solid machines. I like Deere fwds and hay equipment. I do like their air seeders but that is all that is in this area so I don't really have any grounds for comparison. I have a friend who works for a guy that runs new Deere everything. He just traded of an 8430 with IVT. Ben hated it. It caused problems on a regular basis. They have a 2 year old 16 row planter that has consistently broke down every other day or so it's whole life. They run 2 new 9770s and he said they are not that impressive either. One has caused some trouble and the other one has behaved for the most part, but they also only have like 400 hours on them. I used to be completely Green. My display had nothing else on it. As you can see in the last couple years it is getting more colors all the time. We are running a 535 Steiger and 5 red combines. Deere is really going to have to step it up to ever get a green combine on my display again. In the near future there is a good chance that a Blue machine could even show up.
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Post by jacoblarson on Dec 11, 2010 18:38:25 GMT -5
Interested doesnt mean anything. Seriously interested maybe, but it wont happen. There isnt much to gain. Agco bought WR, Wishek and Amity. So they have the heaviest disk on the market, biggest chisel, and one of the best dryland seeding tools. AGCO bought a 50% share of Amity Technology. I guess they wanted the Amity air drill the most, which by the way was developed by former engineers of Concord after Case IH bought them out. I wonder if they will market these under the Sunflower brand name. Yeah, they bought 51%, mostly for the Wishek disk as its the only thing that lives behind a big CAT 4wd, and the disk drill too. Also for the shop space, aparently Benson is full, Duluth is full, Heston is full, all of them are max production. |
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Post by Austin Stewart on Dec 11, 2010 19:00:37 GMT -5
AGCO bought a 50% share of Amity Technology. I guess they wanted the Amity air drill the most, which by the way was developed by former engineers of Concord after Case IH bought them out. I wonder if they will market these under the Sunflower brand name. Yeah, they bought 51%, mostly for the Wishek disk as its the only thing that lives behind a big CAT 4wd, and the disk drill too. Also for the shop space, aparently Benson is full, Duluth is full, Heston is full, all of them are max production. The new 50 foot disk from sunflower is probably the only other thing to live behind the cats. Last time I was down there they had just started to use electronic stress monitoring equipment on their largest field cultivator to monitor it in the field, they were beefing it up in a lot of places it looked like. Hooked to one of the big tracked tractors. The hesston combine factory could nearly be shut down as last I heard they were putting out 4 combines a day, unless that really changed here with the release of the S series gleaners than you could shut it down for a couple of months, build something else, then start it up again for a month. Case IH was building like 15+ combines a day when I was up there. Factory space is there, prime utilization is not. |
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Post by 774630 on Dec 11, 2010 21:50:41 GMT -5
Im with clayton and austin. Our farm has never had anything but deere machines, minus a couple massey combines. I have always bled greeen. But Agco is so far ahead of everyone else when it comes to emissions. My only concern with agco is their dealer support, they have so many lines being serviced out of one shop it cant be easy keeping up, most importantly with parts availabillity. I dont care what color you run, IT WILL BREAK, then the most important thing is how fast can you get it back up. In my opinion dealer support is everything, thats why deere will be king for a long time, at least around here, they're the only brand around.
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Post by treymo on Dec 11, 2010 22:10:18 GMT -5
Support is key for running a efficient farm. You can have everything top-notch, but if something breaks, the whole system goes outa whack. That's the biggest selling point on all our John Deere equipment. It's not a big deal to put in the extra money for service that will pay for itself in the long run.
Trey
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Post by 774630 on Dec 11, 2010 23:17:57 GMT -5
Support is key for running a efficient farm. You can have everything top-notch, but if something breaks, the whole system goes outa whack. Trey theres not a more true statement in farming today than this one. No mater what your talkin about. Efficiencey is the key, grandpa always said, "how ya gonna make money on 10,000 ac if ya aint makin money on 100" |
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Post by steiger9330 on Dec 12, 2010 9:51:34 GMT -5
Support is key for running a efficient farm. You can have everything top-notch, but if something breaks, the whole system goes outa whack. Trey theres not a more true statement in farming today than this one. No mater what your talkin about. Efficiencey is the key, grandpa always said, "how ya gonna make money on 10,000 ac if ya aint makin money on 100" I like what your grandpa said. I know people who couldn't make money and they thought they needed more acres to improve cash flow. |
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Post by CDC on Dec 20, 2010 21:23:46 GMT -5
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Post by CDC on Dec 20, 2010 21:24:49 GMT -5
thats picturs of the 8r cab all the buttons at your finger tips
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Post by Austin Stewart on Dec 20, 2010 21:31:23 GMT -5
thats picturs of the 8r cab all the buttons at your finger tips Whats your point? Challenger had that years ago. |
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